Help understanding EXPERTISE - Guild Wars Forums

Nuba · May 24, 2005, 01:14 PM // 13:14

Hi all,

I like the caster caracter type. I was thinking about trying a ranger/ some caster class. But i don??t know if the mana reduction from expertise is going to work on mesmer, necro or elem spells.

Can someone tell me if its worth.

Thx for ur answers.

Leventh · May 24, 2005, 01:18 PM // 13:18

Expertise does NOT work on any other attribute class skills other then the ranger ones (beast, marks, and wilderness)

Edit: OMG!! sorry other attribute class "spells" .. damn picky

Nuba · May 24, 2005, 01:42 PM // 13:42

Thx, now i won`t waste my time.

Bgnome · May 24, 2005, 01:55 PM // 13:55

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Originally Posted by Leventh

Expertise does NOT work on any other attribute class skills other then the ranger ones (beast, marks, and wilderness)

that is SOOOO wrong.

Expertise will discount the casting cost of ANY skill so long as it is not considered a spell. since many of the skills used by the caster classes are considered spells, Expertise is not as useful for them. you can find a table listing the discounts per rank in Expertise here.

Leventh · May 24, 2005, 02:20 PM // 14:20

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Originally Posted by Bgnome

that is SOOOO wrong.

Expertise will discount the casting cost of ANY skill so long as it is not considered a spell. since many of the skills used by the caster classes are considered spells, Expertise is not as useful for them. you can find a table listing the discounts per rank in Expertise here.

god damn sorry one word wrong.. and i just did a check, it looks that rangers own about 90% of all the "skills" in the game, warriors have 9%. so to answer your question mate expertise is useless on caster spells.

IceD'Bear · May 24, 2005, 02:24 PM // 14:24

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Originally Posted by Leventh

rangers own about 90% of all the "skills" in the game, warriors have 9%

Really? Did you count Attack skills too?

Expertise reduces the costs of all Attack Skills, Preparations, Traps, Stances, Rituals, Glyphs, and Shouts.

Leventh · May 24, 2005, 02:29 PM // 14:29

well most of the warrior attack "skills" use adrenaline did not count thoes. forgot about stances.. i know warriors have quite a few of thoes.. gah screw it.. i think this guy's question has been answered.

Bgnome · May 24, 2005, 02:30 PM // 14:30

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Originally Posted by Leventh

it looks that rangers own about 90% of all the "skills" in the game, warriors have 9%

not really sure what you mean by this. everything you can slot in your skill bar is a "skill". spells are "skills". every class has about 70-80 or so skills, rangers only slightly more so since the advent of pet attack skills. you may want to familiarize yourself with the manual: http://www.guildwars.com/manual/skills/default.html

quoting from the guide, "Expertise reduces the costs of all Attack Skills, Preparations, Traps, Stances, Rituals, Glyphs, and Shouts by 4% per attribute level" where glyphs are typically elementalist skills. i also believe that expertise now affect "touch" based skills since they are no longer considered spells.

Leventh · May 24, 2005, 02:37 PM // 14:37

see now you are just being an ass. there are two diff. meaning of the word skill here.
all skills are divided up into diff types of skills (try and stay with me here)

Stances, Spells, Traps, Preparations, the list goes on.

I was simply not being specific enough when i said "skills" thank god we have people like you, to throw every little error back in our face.

Lasher Dragon · May 24, 2005, 02:44 PM // 14:44

Well really, anything you put in your SKILL BAR is a SKILL. I don't see where the confusion is on this....

Tormunda · May 24, 2005, 02:49 PM // 14:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leventh

see now you are just being an ass. there are two diff. meaning of the word skill here.
all skills are divided up into diff types of skills (try and stay with me here)

Stances, Spells, Traps, Preparations, the list goes on.

I was simply not being specific enough when i said "skills" thank god we have people like you, to throw every little error back in our face.

Leventh, if you keep digging yourself into a hole like this we may as well pass you some copies of GW to hand over to the Australians who don't have it yet

Leventh · May 24, 2005, 02:52 PM // 14:52

Yes, i understand what you are all saying. Skills are the things on the skill bar.
and i found something to shift the blame to.

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/skill/class/5-ranger

guru's skill page is in need of a major update.. as they are too blunt IE: Troll Unguent - Skill should be Troll Unguent - Wilderness Survival Skill so i wasnt thinking and went down this list counting everything that said "skill"

now i swear to god if i say skill one more time im gunna blow.

Tormunda · May 24, 2005, 02:56 PM // 14:56

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leventh

Yes, i understand what you are all saying. Skills are the things on the skill bar.
and i found something to shift the blame to.

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/skill/class/5-ranger

guru's skill page is in need of a major update.. as they are too blunt IE: Troll Unguent - Skill should be Troll Unguent - Wilderness Survival Skill so i wasnt thinking and went down this list counting everything that said "skill"

now i swear to god if i say skill one more time im gunna blow.

Troll Unguent - Skill
This is correct. I don't understand why you need it to say Wilderness Survival as the keyed ability as it is under that heading??

Leventh · May 24, 2005, 03:02 PM // 15:02

*sigh* mod's please rename this post to "Pick on Leventh"

I no longer am gunna try to explain myself. WTF was this thread about anyhow?

piercehead · May 24, 2005, 03:38 PM // 15:38

Hmm....not sure why Leventh is getting so antsy, but he was originally (and incorrectly) confusing the issue to make it look like Expertise wasn't worthwhile for any secondary classes.

In the description for the skills you have, the first words say what type of skill they are.
If it's described as: Attack (Axe Attack/Sword Attack etc.), Preparation, Trap, Stance, Ritual (ie. Nature Ritual), Glyph, Shout or just Skill then Expertise applies to it.
Seeing how many Attacks, Stances and Shouts Warriors have, Expertise is great for them. Casters only really have Glyphs and Skills so not so good though Mesmers have some stances, and Monks have Smite which is an Attack too.

Leventh · May 24, 2005, 03:50 PM // 15:50

oh my god lol.. this is sad..

look bro, a high expertise is NOT worthwile on a heavy caster sub class, i can understand a warrior, but for a heavy caster like a mes.. not needed. keep in mind, you will want to invest a little into the attribute so your ranger skills dont kill your MP.

Bgnome · May 24, 2005, 04:10 PM // 16:10

im gonna close this one before it degenerates even more. the question was answered correctly eventually.

May 24, 2005, 01:14 PM // 13:14	#1
Nuba Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Apr 2005	Help understanding EXPERTISE Hi all, I like the caster caracter type. I was thinking about trying a ranger/ some caster class. But i don??t know if the mana reduction from expertise is going to work on mesmer, necro or elem spells. Can someone tell me if its worth. Thx for ur answers.

May 24, 2005, 01:18 PM // 13:18	#2
Leventh Krytan Explorer Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: michigan Guild: Unforgiven Clan [UF] Profession: R/Me	Expertise does NOT work on any other attribute class skills other then the ranger ones (beast, marks, and wilderness) Edit: OMG!! sorry other attribute class "spells" .. damn picky Last edited by Leventh; May 24, 2005 at 02:17 PM // 14:17..

May 24, 2005, 04:10 PM // 16:10	#17
Bgnome Elite Guru Join Date: Feb 2005	im gonna close this one before it degenerates even more. the question was answered correctly eventually. __________________ [quote=Sausaletus Rex]...When you respond to a thread in [Q&A] make sure, and I mean damn sur

May 24, 2005, 01:42 PM // 13:42	#3
Nuba Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Apr 2005	Thx, now i won`t waste my time.

May 24, 2005, 02:29 PM // 14:29	#7
Leventh Krytan Explorer Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: michigan Guild: Unforgiven Clan [UF] Profession: R/Me	well most of the warrior attack "skills" use adrenaline did not count thoes. forgot about stances.. i know warriors have quite a few of thoes.. gah screw it.. i think this guy's question has been answered.

May 24, 2005, 02:37 PM // 14:37	#9
Leventh Krytan Explorer Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: michigan Guild: Unforgiven Clan [UF] Profession: R/Me	see now you are just being an ass. there are two diff. meaning of the word skill here. all skills are divided up into diff types of skills (try and stay with me here) Stances, Spells, Traps, Preparations, the list goes on. I was simply not being specific enough when i said "skills" thank god we have people like you, to throw every little error back in our face.

May 24, 2005, 02:44 PM // 14:44	#10
Lasher Dragon Draconic Rage Incarnate Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Iowa Guild: Alphahive Profession: R/A	Well really, anything you put in your SKILL BAR is a SKILL. I don't see where the confusion is on this....

May 24, 2005, 02:52 PM // 14:52	#12
Leventh Krytan Explorer Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: michigan Guild: Unforgiven Clan [UF] Profession: R/Me	Yes, i understand what you are all saying. Skills are the things on the skill bar. and i found something to shift the blame to. http://www.guildwarsguru.com/skill/class/5-ranger guru's skill page is in need of a major update.. as they are too blunt IE: Troll Unguent - Skill should be Troll Unguent - Wilderness Survival Skill so i wasnt thinking and went down this list counting everything that said "skill" now i swear to god if i say skill one more time im gunna blow.

May 24, 2005, 03:02 PM // 15:02	#14
Leventh Krytan Explorer Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: michigan Guild: Unforgiven Clan [UF] Profession: R/Me	sigh mod's please rename this post to "Pick on Leventh" I no longer am gunna try to explain myself. WTF was this thread about anyhow?

May 24, 2005, 03:38 PM // 15:38	#15
piercehead Ascalonian Squire Join Date: May 2005 Guild: RAGE Profession: R/E	Hmm....not sure why Leventh is getting so antsy, but he was originally (and incorrectly) confusing the issue to make it look like Expertise wasn't worthwhile for any secondary classes. In the description for the skills you have, the first words say what type of skill they are. If it's described as: Attack (Axe Attack/Sword Attack etc.), Preparation, Trap, Stance, Ritual (ie. Nature Ritual), Glyph, Shout or just Skill then Expertise applies to it. Seeing how many Attacks, Stances and Shouts Warriors have, Expertise is great for them. Casters only really have Glyphs and Skills so not so good though Mesmers have some stances, and Monks have Smite which is an Attack too.

May 24, 2005, 03:50 PM // 15:50	#16
Leventh Krytan Explorer Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: michigan Guild: Unforgiven Clan [UF] Profession: R/Me	oh my god lol.. this is sad.. look bro, a high expertise is NOT worthwile on a heavy caster sub class, i can understand a warrior, but for a heavy caster like a mes.. not needed. keep in mind, you will want to invest a little into the attribute so your ranger skills dont kill your MP.